You can't use the last few years as data points. Killington was owned by a bankrupt company. The resort was for sale or sold. They didn't give a rat's ass about the long term. They flooded the place with hordes skiing on cheap bronze passes and chased away the premium day ticket and lift+lodging business. Why? To meet huge interest payments that were due over the summer. It didn't work and was disasterous to the business.
I realize you have absolutely no training in probabilty theory but the correlation factor on a single data point is 1. Your argument is total sh*t since it ignores 40 years of historical data and only focuses on a few recent years where the American Skiing Company was in financial ruin.
This is the last time I will ever respond to your drivel. I give up. Mental midgets aren't my thing.
"I can't believe they're already shrinking the mountain down to just Superstar and the K1 after today. That is a full two weeks early."
You need to add, when you say crap like this, "over a decade ago, K used to keep all mountain areas open 2 weeks later then they do now"
Everything you say, its comparing this season to an early/mid Oct opening to early/mid June closing.
Its just stupid. That was so, so long ago... Your comparing a mountain today, which has cheaper passes then 20 years ago, and 20 year older, very ineffecient equipement. Costs for everything are double to 10 times more then they used to be, yet pass priced haven't doubled or gone 10 times more expesive. You cant expect the same level of service...
Add 2 more years to what youve supplied and finish the still unsubstantiated items below for the same time and I'll shut up...
*Last season Bmmc was March 31. This season Bmmc was March 29. *Bear and the Midstation closed last season April 8. This year April 6. They both reopened for the next weekend, due to well over 2 feet of snow during that week.
*Skyeship has stayed open 1 week later this season then last season. And opened over a month sooner!
*Snowshed is closing 1 week earlier this year then last year. (Although they are keeping stuff open at Snowshed for some lessons the next few days)
The above numbers are all consistant with the past few years...
And in all reality to be fair, you should be comparing numbers for the entire ASC ownership, and not just the last 2 extra lean years, cuz it grossly skews the numbers.
Times Argus wrote:
March 5, 2008
By Josh O'Gorman Rutland Herald
Under the proposed option tax plan, the town would collect an additional $1,012,758 in taxes on alcohol and retail sales, and rooms and meals. Of that amount, 30 percent would go to the state for redistribution to towns having tax-exempt property, and another 5 percent would go to the state for administrative costs — leaving the town with about $673,484.
In a counter-offer, Killington and Pico Ski Resort Partners offered a one-time payment of $250,000 to the Killington Chamber of Commerce if the proposed option tax was defeated.
The proposal also called for future payments on the condition that at least 30 percent of town restaurants, bars and lodging establishments come up with a match from a 1 percent voluntary surcharge.
Wow, 250 grand, that's your spring skiing budget and then some.
You can't use the last few years as data points. Killington was owned by a bankrupt company. The resort was for sale or sold. They didn't give a rat's ass about the long term. They flooded the place with hordes skiing on cheap bronze passes and chased away the premium day ticket and lift+lodging business. Why? To meet huge interest payments that were due over the summer. It didn't work and was disasterous to the business.
I realize you have absolutely no training in probabilty theory but the correlation factor on a single data point is 1. Your argument is total sh*t since it ignores 40 years of historical data and only focuses on a few recent years where the American Skiing Company was in financial ruin.
This is the last time I will ever respond to your drivel. I give up. Mental midgets aren't my thing.
"I can't believe they're already shrinking the mountain down to just Superstar and the K1 after today. That is a full two weeks early."
You need to add, when you say crap like this, "over a decade ago, K used to keep all mountain areas open 2 weeks later then they do now"
Everything you say, its comparing this season to an early/mid Oct opening to early/mid June closing.
Its just stupid. That was so, so long ago... Your comparing a mountain today, which has cheaper passes then 20 years ago, and 20 year older, very ineffecient equipement. Costs for everything are double to 10 times more then they used to be, yet pass priced haven't doubled or gone 10 times more expesive. You cant expect the same level of service...
first of all, it's not stupid ... and it wasn't so, so long long. maybe 3 or 4 years in your lifetime seems so, so long ago but for the rest of us who've been skiing here for 30+ yrs, the last few years that you keep using to support your case are just a blip. we have 25-30 yrs of experience when k was the biggest, baddest & longest in terms of all things skiing and it paid off in terms of building a brand & a buzz where at their peak, they were doing well over a million skier days. this year your pathetic powdr will be lucky to do 700k - hell of a way to make a case for expansion. i'm pretty sure if we were still doing a million+ days (and i'm not talking w/ cheap asc passes) the interconnect would be done and the village would be on the way to becoming a reality.
as for inefficient equipment, the old k blew snow til the pond was dry with much less efficient snowmaking equipment than they currently use and without the benefit of a reservoir to draw on.
as or not expecting the same level of service, guess you're saying 20 yrs from now when prices for everything once again increase by double to 10 times, that we should expect a two month season. we certainly can't expect this same level of service to continue can we ...
"Wow, 250 grand, that's your spring skiing budget and then some."
The Spring skiing budget is being used to build a park on Highline . . . nothing against parks . . . but the extra expense when K had three perfectly good parks over at Bear just seems irresponsible Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe the parks should be built in the Highline/Interceptor/Conclusion area in the first place, so extra expense is not necessary to build "temporary" parks. JMHO.
The killington tri (SPRING RALY TRIATHLON)was on May 23,1992 i am looking at my poster right now...i was BIB #49[/quote]
I was there the day after that. Was r*ining and completely in the fog. r*in turned to freezing r*in and sleet on top of Skye Peak. KBL was packed with everyone watching the Indy 500. Killington provided those plastic bags r*in coats... for free of course. When they ran out the staff provided plastic garbage bags, when it quieted down a bit the lift ops would dry off the chairs on the Superstar Quad with a towel before you sat down.
1CoolDood wrote:The killington tri (SPRING RALY TRIATHLON)was on May 23,1992 i am looking at my poster right now...i was BIB #49
I was there the day after that. Was r*ining and completely in the fog. r*in turned to freezing r*in and sleet on top of Skye Peak. KBL was packed with everyone watching the Indy 500. Killington provided those plastic bags r*in coats... for free of course. When they ran out the staff provided plastic garbage bags, when it quieted down a bit the lift ops would dry off the chairs on the Superstar Quad with a towel before you sat down.
my first late season was 1981 and i remember coming up one day (might have been the day after memorial day on my way back from tux) and apparently sugarbush had closed previous day, and some k employees (lifties etc) were sitting at the next table and they were congratulating each other on beating sugarbush to be 'king of spring.' it actually meant something to them.
I have only been riding K for about ten or eleven years and even I can see that things are not the same. Even though I havent been here nearly as long as G-Smashed and some others, I was here when there was an early season and a real late season..I loved those sun drenched days of riding my shitty rock board. Do a few runs, eat some bbq, do a few more runs, get a sunburn and end the day with some tasty beers in the lot with the other die hards.......Skippy, you'll never understand cause you started here when it all started to fall apart and change. Its not your fault that you dont get it....there is a passion about killington that can only come from years and years of calling this place your home mountain, even if you are from NY, NJ, MA or CT. I may be a "weekend warrior" from CT, but Im a weekend warrior with 45 -55 days on this hill every season (47 this season) this is my home mountain even if it is 3 hours away. Im not happy about the short season, but I'll be back. I have too many friends and established too many relationships here to start all over. Hopefully POWDR will se ethe light some day and make Killington what it truly can be, The Beast of The East, The King Of Spring.....right now it is NOT the King Of Spring..to say it is is just ridiculous......
BoozeTan wrote:I have only been riding K for about ten or eleven years and even I can see that things are not the same. Even though I havent been here nearly as long as G-Smashed and some others, I was here when there was an early season and a real late season..I loved those sun drenched days of riding my shitty rock board. Do a few runs, eat some bbq, do a few more runs, get a sunburn and end the day with some tasty beers in the lot with the other die hards.......Skippy, you'll never understand cause you started here when it all started to fall apart and change. Its not your fault that you dont get it....there is a passion about killington that can only come from years and years of calling this place your home mountain, even if you are from NY, NJ, MA or CT. I may be a "weekend warrior" from CT, but Im a weekend warrior with 45 -55 days on this hill every season (47 this season) this is my home mountain even if it is 3 hours away. Im not happy about the short season, but I'll be back. I have too many friends and established too many relationships here to start all over. Hopefully POWDR will se ethe light some day and make Killington what it truly can be, The Beast of The East, The King Of Spring.....right now it is NOT the King Of Spring..to say it is is just ridiculous......
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Peter Tosh
Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe the parks should be built in the Highline/Interceptor/Conclusion area in the first place, so extra expense is not necessary to build "temporary" parks. JMHO.
