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Georgia has some of the weakest gun laws in the country. The legislature passed a law requiring colleges and universities to allow guns on campus in 2017, and in 2022, Georgia repealed its last foundational policy by passing permitless carry legislation. Though Georgia repealed its Citizen’s Arrest law in 2021, the state still has a dangerous Shoot First law that allows a person to kill another in a public area, even when they can safely walk away from the danger.
https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/state/georgia/

Apparently the kid used an AK-47 for this shooting. Under Georgia law, there's literally nothing a police officer could legally do to stop this kid even if he was carrying that thing on his shoulder to school that day. There is not even an age restriction. His possession and open carry of that firearm was totally legal until he stepped on school property. That's absolutely nuts.

You could have one of these awful tragedies every day for a year and it would not change the minds of the gun nuts in this country. They care more about their guns than they care about innocent kids in schools getting killed. In the wake of all the school shootings that have happened over the last two decades, Georgia moved to weaken gun laws and make it easier for people like this to own and carry guns. This is the exact opposite of common sense.
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So in Georgia you have to be 18 to buy tobacco, but you can legally walk down the street at age 14 strapped with an Ak-47?? Bananas

Given their lax laws, I doubt it will happen, but the parents of this child should face prosecution much the same as the Michigan school shooter a year or two ago. Make parents accountable for keeping guns out of children's hands.

Alas, nothing will happen except for thoughts and prayers
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easyrider16 wrote: Sep 4th, '24, 14:58
Georgia has some of the weakest gun laws in the country. The legislature passed a law requiring colleges and universities to allow guns on campus in 2017, and in 2022, Georgia repealed its last foundational policy by passing permitless carry legislation. Though Georgia repealed its Citizen’s Arrest law in 2021, the state still has a dangerous Shoot First law that allows a person to kill another in a public area, even when they can safely walk away from the danger.
https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/state/georgia/

Apparently the kid used an AK-47 for this shooting. Under Georgia law, there's literally nothing a police officer could legally do to stop this kid even if he was carrying that thing on his shoulder to school that day. There is not even an age restriction. His possession and open carry of that firearm was totally legal until he stepped on school property. That's absolutely nuts.

You could have one of these awful tragedies every day for a year and it would not change the minds of the gun nuts in this country. They care more about their guns than they care about innocent kids in schools getting killed. In the wake of all the school shootings that have happened over the last two decades, Georgia moved to weaken gun laws and make it easier for people like this to own and carry guns. This is the exact opposite of common sense.
If only they had strict gun laws like Chicago:

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/ch ... ptember-3/
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In NYC over 50 minors have been shot so far this year. NYC has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. I'm not saying kids should be walking around the streets with AK's, but do gun laws really work so well?
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These are pretty BS comparisons. There are no such things as strict gun laws in this country. Our current Supreme Court made sure of that. NYC and Chicago may try to be stingy with gun permits but it's pretty meaningless when you can drive five or ten miles out of town and buy whatever you want.

Do gun laws work? If you're not sure, maybe look at countries that actually have strict gun laws and compare their gun violence to ours. Take Australia as an example. In 1996 they had a mass shooting. In a totally sane response, they passed major gun restrictions and initiated a major gun buyback program. Gun crimes weren't entirely eliminated, but their frequency and severity dropped dramatically.

I think it's basic common sense that if we want law enforcement to be able to prevent these tragedies, we need to give them the tools to prevent them before they occur. Right now in most places there's very little they can do until kids start opening fire.
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Hmmmmm

I wonder what happened in 2004
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They are now charging the father with 2nd degree murder for "knowingly allowing" his son to possess a weapon.
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/05/georgi ... t-arrested

Apparently there were complaints about this kid making threats online a year before the incident. Imagine if police had the ability at that time to go in and seize any assault rifles in his possession. Instead, when police came to the house and interviewed the father about his son a full year before this shooting, there was literally nothing they could do.
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Vance laments that school shootings are a ‘fact of life’ in the US as he calls for more security
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/politics ... index.html
Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance on Thursday lamented that school shootings in the US have become “a fact of life” and called for greater security at schools in the wake of the shooting in Winder, Georgia, that left four people dead earlier this week.

“I don’t like this. I don’t like to admit this. I don’t like that this is a fact of life. But if you’re, if you are a psycho and you want to make headlines, you realize that our schools are soft targets, and we have got to bolster security at our schools,” Vance said at a campaign event in Phoenix in response to a question from CNN on what specific policies he supports to end school shootings.

As the audience applauded, Vance continued, “We’ve got to bolster security, so that if a psycho wants to walk through the front door and kill a bunch of children, they’re not able to. And again, as a parent, do I want my kids’ school to have additional security? No, of course, I don’t. I don’t want my kids to go to school in a place where they feel like you’ve got to have additional security. But that is increasingly the reality that we live in.”
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A reminder that if we had common sense gun laws like the Democrats want in this country, both psychotic Trump shooters likely wouldn't have had legal access to firearms.

But, if Republicans aren't concerned with school children getting shot in classrooms, apparently they don't care about gun violence against dear leader either. Maybe Donnie should keep an AR in his golf bag.
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deadheadskier wrote: Sep 16th, '24, 12:20 A reminder that if we had common sense gun laws like the Democrats want in this country, both psychotic Trump shooters likely wouldn't have had legal access to firearms.

But, if Republicans aren't concerned with school children getting shot in classrooms, apparently they don't care about gun violence against dear leader either. Maybe Donnie should keep an AR in his golf bag.
The latest leftwing loon is a felon and should not have been sold a weapon (if it was sold to him). Criminals have this thing about not following laws.
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Skid Mark wrote: Sep 16th, '24, 12:43
deadheadskier wrote: Sep 16th, '24, 12:20 A reminder that if we had common sense gun laws like the Democrats want in this country, both psychotic Trump shooters likely wouldn't have had legal access to firearms.

But, if Republicans aren't concerned with school children getting shot in classrooms, apparently they don't care about gun violence against dear leader either. Maybe Donnie should keep an AR in his golf bag.
The latest leftwing loon is a felon and should not have been sold a weapon (if it was sold to him). Criminals have this thing about not following laws.
Federal law doesn't require states to make mental health records part of the background check system. Any idea why?

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... al-n727221
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Yeah I guess laws don't work so we should just get rid of them. I mean why bother outlawing murder if criminals aren't going to obey laws against it, right?
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Skid Mark wrote: Sep 16th, '24, 12:43
deadheadskier wrote: Sep 16th, '24, 12:20 A reminder that if we had common sense gun laws like the Democrats want in this country, both psychotic Trump shooters likely wouldn't have had legal access to firearms.

But, if Republicans aren't concerned with school children getting shot in classrooms, apparently they don't care about gun violence against dear leader either. Maybe Donnie should keep an AR in his golf bag.
The latest leftwing loon is a felon and should not have been sold a weapon (if it was sold to him). Criminals have this thing about not following laws.
Edit: I see that he is being charged as a felon in possession of gun illegally

When did the police last attempt to confiscate guns from this known mental case?
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Here’s DeSantis. At the end he alludes that they may charge this man with Attempted Murder. Seems it would set a precedent at odds with the GOP 2nd amendment position and FL state law, but IANAL

https://x.com/govrondesantis/status/183 ... 66583?s=46
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To be on the hook for attempted murder, a person has to have the specific intent to murder and have taken a direct step towards the killing. So, What did secret service see? Did they see him point the weapon in Trump's direction? Is there any evidence of his intent to actually shoot at Trump? I think most of these details aren't yet in the public domain so it's difficult to judge.
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