What Can the New Owners do to Fix K This Season

[Bubba]

It would be pretty awesome if they put half an ounce of effort into the golf course. The course could be great but it is neglected. Simply paving, or even improving, the cart paths would make a world of difference. Making the course 9 holes would be idiotic. GMNGC is a gem. Nothing worse could happen to GMNGC than Killington Resort buying it. The resort has proven for all time that they cannot maintain their assets. Hopefully these “locals” are local enough to actually know what’s going on.

Close the course - send everyone to GMNGC - and build the village on the course. And build a beautiful clubhouse at GMNGC.

I own up there - and I golf a ton. The Mountain course is too tough to maintain for such a short season - and it's not busy enough except for the folks that buy the cheap pass.

They've lost a ton of great groundskeepers because the equipment sucks and they can't put any money into it.

A village on the course with a gondola to K1 would make Killington the best mountain town in NE - including Stowe.

I've been saying that for years, including directly to the Texas people who backed SP Land. The answer? "We don't own that land."

[hillbangin]

It would be pretty awesome if they put half an ounce of effort into the golf course. The course could be great but it is neglected. Simply paving, or even improving, the cart paths would make a world of difference. Making the course 9 holes would be idiotic. GMNGC is a gem. Nothing worse could happen to GMNGC than Killington Resort buying it. The resort has proven for all time that they cannot maintain their assets. Hopefully these “locals” are local enough to actually know what’s going on.

Close the course - send everyone to GMNGC - and build the village on the course. And build a beautiful clubhouse at GMNGC.

I own up there - and I golf a ton. The Mountain course is too tough to maintain for such a short season - and it's not busy enough except for the folks that buy the cheap pass.

They've lost a ton of great groundskeepers because the equipment sucks and they can't put any money into it.

A village on the course with a gondola to K1 would make Killington the best mountain town in NE - including Stowe.

I've been saying that for years, including directly to the Texas people who backed SP Land. The answer? "We don't own that land."

I did not know that - so who owns the land?

[Bubba]

It would be pretty awesome if they put half an ounce of effort into the golf course. The course could be great but it is neglected. Simply paving, or even improving, the cart paths would make a world of difference. Making the course 9 holes would be idiotic. GMNGC is a gem. Nothing worse could happen to GMNGC than Killington Resort buying it. The resort has proven for all time that they cannot maintain their assets. Hopefully these “locals” are local enough to actually know what’s going on.

Close the course - send everyone to GMNGC - and build the village on the course. And build a beautiful clubhouse at GMNGC.

I own up there - and I golf a ton. The Mountain course is too tough to maintain for such a short season - and it's not busy enough except for the folks that buy the cheap pass.

They've lost a ton of great groundskeepers because the equipment sucks and they can't put any money into it.

A village on the course with a gondola to K1 would make Killington the best mountain town in NE - including Stowe.

I've been saying that for years, including directly to the Texas people who backed SP Land. The answer? "We don't own that land."

I did not know that - so who owns the land?

I assume the resort’s course is owned by the resort and the town’s course is owned by the town. My thought was for the resort and SP to swap properties (parking lots for golf course) and then everyone wins: resort keeps convenient parking and gives up the money pit of a course and the village is developed in a location that benefits the town by giving it a town center and reduces competition for the town course. The village developer would have a less expensive development project with less site prep and have more land for future development.

[hillbangin]

It would be pretty awesome if they put half an ounce of effort into the golf course. The course could be great but it is neglected. Simply paving, or even improving, the cart paths would make a world of difference. Making the course 9 holes would be idiotic. GMNGC is a gem. Nothing worse could happen to GMNGC than Killington Resort buying it. The resort has proven for all time that they cannot maintain their assets. Hopefully these “locals” are local enough to actually know what’s going on.

Close the course - send everyone to GMNGC - and build the village on the course. And build a beautiful clubhouse at GMNGC.

I own up there - and I golf a ton. The Mountain course is too tough to maintain for such a short season - and it's not busy enough except for the folks that buy the cheap pass.

They've lost a ton of great groundskeepers because the equipment sucks and they can't put any money into it.

A village on the course with a gondola to K1 would make Killington the best mountain town in NE - including Stowe.

I've been saying that for years, including directly to the Texas people who backed SP Land. The answer? "We don't own that land."

I did not know that - so who owns the land?

I assume the resort’s course is owned by the resort and the town’s course is owned by the town. My thought was for the resort and SP to swap properties (parking lots for golf course) and then everyone wins: resort keeps convenient parking and gives up the money pit of a course and the village is developed in a location that benefits the town by giving it a town center and reduces competition for the town course. The village developer would have a less expensive development project with less site prep and have more land for future development.

Maybe it's not too late..........They do need a new lodge to replace the shed and the rammer - but the rest of the 'village' plan is pretty meh....

[Mistergiff]

It would be pretty awesome if they put half an ounce of effort into the golf course. The course could be great but it is neglected. Simply paving, or even improving, the cart paths would make a world of difference. Making the course 9 holes would be idiotic. GMNGC is a gem. Nothing worse could happen to GMNGC than Killington Resort buying it. The resort has proven for all time that they cannot maintain their assets. Hopefully these “locals” are local enough to actually know what’s going on.

Close the course - send everyone to GMNGC - and build the village on the course. And build a beautiful clubhouse at GMNGC.

I own up there - and I golf a ton. The Mountain course is too tough to maintain for such a short season - and it's not busy enough except for the folks that buy the cheap pass.

They've lost a ton of great groundskeepers because the equipment sucks and they can't put any money into it.

A village on the course with a gondola to K1 would make Killington the best mountain town in NE - including Stowe.

I've been saying that for years, including directly to the Texas people who backed SP Land. The answer? "We don't own that land."

I did not know that - so who owns the land?

I assume the resort’s course is owned by the resort and the town’s course is owned by the town. My thought was for the resort and SP to swap properties (parking lots for golf course) and then everyone wins: resort keeps convenient parking and gives up the money pit of a course and the village is developed in a location that benefits the town by giving it a town center and reduces competition for the town course. The village developer would have a less expensive development project with less site prep and have more land for future development.

Take a look at the Town's tax maps. https://next.axisgis.com/KillingtonVT/ The resort owns the golf course. Bubba is totally right too. This has been the best solution to the village conundrum all along. The topography of doing it between Mt. Green Snowshed and Ramshead is pretty bonkers. Its going to be wildly expensive. A land swap is brilliant and great for the long term health of the muni course which is in a much better valley location for a golf course.

[hillbangin]

Close the course - send everyone to GMNGC - and build the village on the course. And build a beautiful clubhouse at GMNGC.

I own up there - and I golf a ton. The Mountain course is too tough to maintain for such a short season - and it's not busy enough except for the folks that buy the cheap pass.

They've lost a ton of great groundskeepers because the equipment sucks and they can't put any money into it.

A village on the course with a gondola to K1 would make Killington the best mountain town in NE - including Stowe.

I've been saying that for years, including directly to the Texas people who backed SP Land. The answer? "We don't own that land."

I did not know that - so who owns the land?

I assume the resort’s course is owned by the resort and the town’s course is owned by the town. My thought was for the resort and SP to swap properties (parking lots for golf course) and then everyone wins: resort keeps convenient parking and gives up the money pit of a course and the village is developed in a location that benefits the town by giving it a town center and reduces competition for the town course. The village developer would have a less expensive development project with less site prep and have more land for future development.

Take a look at the Town's tax maps. https://next.axisgis.com/KillingtonVT/ The resort owns the golf course. Bubba is totally right too. This has been the best solution to the village conundrum all along. The topography of doing it between Mt. Green Snowshed and Ramshead is pretty bonkers. Its going to be wildly expensive. A land swap is brilliant and great for the long term health of the muni course which is in a much better valley location for a golf course.

And behind the Wobbley.........That's the entrance

[Mistergiff]

I've been saying that for years, including directly to the Texas people who backed SP Land. The answer? "We don't own that land."

I did not know that - so who owns the land?

I assume the resort’s course is owned by the resort and the town’s course is owned by the town. My thought was for the resort and SP to swap properties (parking lots for golf course) and then everyone wins: resort keeps convenient parking and gives up the money pit of a course and the village is developed in a location that benefits the town by giving it a town center and reduces competition for the town course. The village developer would have a less expensive development project with less site prep and have more land for future development.

Take a look at the Town's tax maps. https://next.axisgis.com/KillingtonVT/ The resort owns the golf course. Bubba is totally right too. This has been the best solution to the village conundrum all along. The topography of doing it between Mt. Green Snowshed and Ramshead is pretty bonkers. Its going to be wildly expensive. A land swap is brilliant and great for the long term health of the muni course which is in a much better valley location for a golf course.

And behind the Wobbley.........That's the entrance

I feel like this was the original village idea back in the Smith days or am I wrong?

[wtf021]

Use the link: https://next.axisgis.com/KillingtonVT/ and type GG Killington LP into the search box in the upper left hand corner. This will show you all of the property Great Gulf owns in town. With the exception of the water wells, I wonder what they are going to do with the 243 acres along Route 4.

It looks like Great Gulf owns a 10.4 acre plot of land within the golf course.

[Mister Moose]

A village on the course with a gondola to K1 would make Killington the best mountain town in NE - including Stowe.

I've been saying that for years, including directly to the Texas people who backed SP Land. The answer? "We don't own that land."

I did not know that - so who owns the land?

I assume the resort’s course is owned by the resort and the town’s course is owned by the town. My thought was for the resort and SP to swap properties (parking lots for golf course) and then everyone wins: resort keeps convenient parking and gives up the money pit of a course and the village is developed in a location that benefits the town by giving it a town center and reduces competition for the town course. The village developer would have a less expensive development project with less site prep and have more land for future development.

That idea does have some merit. However a condo behind Inn of 6 Mtns and Wobbly is going to be worth far less than a condo in the Snowshed parking lot. Plus the sunk costs in permits and design spent already. Who is going to reimburse GG for that very large loss?

[Bubba]

A village on the course with a gondola to K1 would make Killington the best mountain town in NE - including Stowe.

I've been saying that for years, including directly to the Texas people who backed SP Land. The answer? "We don't own that land."

I did not know that - so who owns the land?

I assume the resort’s course is owned by the resort and the town’s course is owned by the town. My thought was for the resort and SP to swap properties (parking lots for golf course) and then everyone wins: resort keeps convenient parking and gives up the money pit of a course and the village is developed in a location that benefits the town by giving it a town center and reduces competition for the town course. The village developer would have a less expensive development project with less site prep and have more land for future development.

That idea does have some merit. However a condo behind Inn of 6 Mtns and Wobbly is going to be worth far less than a condo in the Snowshed parking lot. Plus the sunk costs in permits and design spent already. Who is going to reimburse GG for that very large loss?

Work the cost into the deal. It’s relatively minor if you believe all the hype on estimated total value of the village over the next 20 years.

[Mister Moose]

That idea does have some merit. However a condo behind Inn of 6 Mtns and Wobbly is going to be worth far less than a condo in the Snowshed parking lot. Plus the sunk costs in permits and design spent already. Who is going to reimburse GG for that very large loss?

Work the cost into the deal. It’s relatively minor if you believe all the hype on estimated total value of the village over the next 20 years.

Ok, let's see. The highest price condo on the access road is probably King's Pine, fairly new, upper 700's recent sale. The Village is expecting to sell for far more, a 3 bedroom will likely ask at least 1.7 million. (Or more, based on Base Camp Bear, 1.9 earlier price to 3M for 4 BR currently) If a brand spanking new Kings Pine would sell for 1M, then that's 700k per condo difference between Wobbly location and Snowshed. Times the number of condos over 20 years. 800? 800 times 700k is $560 million. Just exactly how are you going to "work that into the deal"? Short version: It isn't minor.

Feel free to use your numbers/estimate.

[skidogg]

if it gets built in 20 years
how long they been paying taxes now?

[KingsFourMan]

Only 2 distant holes of the Killington golf course are down by the Wobbly. The vast majority of it is close to the Grand / Trail Creek / Wiffletree and Pinnacle condos which would make a perfect core location in between all of those properties. A 2 stage gondola from the heart of the village to the bottom of Snowshed and then up to the top of Snowshed would be great. Beaver Creek has a gondola up it's beginner slope

I've never played the Killington course because I've never heard anyone say anything good about it. I've played GMN many times and as someone else said, it's a gem.

I completely agree that this would be the best possible location for the village. It's actually brilliant.

[asher2789]

Only 2 distant holes of the Killington golf course are down by the Wobbly. The vast majority of it is close to the Grand / Trail Creek / Wiffletree and Pinnacle condos which would make a perfect core location in between all of those properties. A 2 stage gondola from the heart of the village to the bottom of Snowshed and then up to the top of Snowshed would be great. Beaver Creek has a gondola up it's beginner slope

I've never played the Killington course because I've never heard anyone say anything good about it. I've played GMN many times and as someone else said, it's a gem.

I completely agree that this would be the best possible location for the village. It's actually brilliant.

that sounds great in theory but beginners need to learn how to ride a chairlift and not get spoiled by a gondola. the snowshed quad is a perfect beginner lift.

[rogman]

Not new. Not happening. Not now. Not ever.